How I F*ck as a Trans Porn Star with Buck Angel

NATALIE RIVERA: Hey everyone, a note before we start the episode: Our guest today is the legendary Buck Angel who is loved by many but also if we’re honest here, hated by some. I met Buck back in 2018 for a story I was working on at that time that was not related to his sex work. We remained in contact for years, and in 2019 I reached out to him to be interviewed for the podcast. He didn’t have the time back then for a sit-down interview, which is why it took until late 2020 for us to finally chat. Between that time, Buck has been in the center of some controversies pertaining to his views on transness and trans youth. We’ll get to that in this episode, but before that I just want to remind everyone that views shared on this episode don’t necessarily mean views shared by the people involved in the making of this episode. Also, keep in mind that Buck’s story is his story: It doesn’t represent everyone’s story. Now onto the episode. 

NR: Buck Angel is a self-made man. I mean, he’s got the r registered trademark symbol next to his name on his website, which to me is a badge of success. His company Buck Angel Entertainment, makes him the sole owner of his content which is popular, hot, and in high-demand.

NR: Buck Angel, also known as the man with a vagina, is kind of a legend. He was one of the first trans female to male adult performers to make it big.  So it makes sense that a lot of people, well, want to f*ck him.

BA: Everyone wants to shoot porn with me now so I'm just like it's so interesting how everything goes full circle and so I would I ended up having to go on craigslist back in the day and like get like literally I've shot with homeless people this homeless guy shows up young and I'm like when I lived in New Orleans and I'm like okay dude shower time and I made him cut his nails and he was so disgusting but he had a big deck and it ended up becoming an amazing scene but like I've literally shot with homeless people like totally just like dudes who are straight telling me they need money to fix their motorcycle.

NR: This is How I F*ck and I’m your host Natalie Rivera. Trans people have always existed. The 60s was no exception. It was a decade where trans actress Candy Darling was starring in plays and Andy Warhol’s films and where trans people were starting riots in an effort to bring attention to trans rights. The 60s was also the decade Buck Angel was born and was assigned female.

BA: I was born in 1962. I grew up in the valley, basically, I would say in the 60s into the 70s. So I'm gonna tell you that my childhood was okay. I didn't have problems. You know, I grew up basically like a boy. So my parents were really, we call it a tomboy. Back in the day when a little girl sort of acts like a little boy. And there were never really any problems with that. I'll be honest with you, my parents were super chill about me being a tomboy.

NR: When you're a kid, and when you're dressing up as a tomboy, or you like, I'm a boy, are you just like I'm dressing like a boy? 

BA: No I felt like a boy. I was totally Buck. My parents call me that they raised me like a boy, I was totally the boy I play with the trucks. My sister's got Barbies, I got GI Joe. So really, my parents saw this masculinity. And you know, and fast forward to today, I have a really amazing relationship with my parents, and we talk about it a lot. And they said, you know, if we had the opportunity to transition you at a younger age, we would have done that. And I was like, Wow, that's so progressive, for my 82-year-old parents to say that to me. 

NR: Other people though weren’t as progressive. Buck would get bullied for his tomboyishness at school, and even adults had some issues with his presentation. 

BA:   like, that's actually your daughter, not your son. And so I think, on some level that also affected my parents, and they got embarrassed, sort of by raising their daughter, so masculine, right, so Gosh, and then we move forward to today. And there's just so much more opportunity for kids to be nonbinary to not have to deal with, you know, going from male to female, and big. There are all these other choices for the trans community today. So it's a different community than where I came from, or even what I wanted to do, right. I always wanted to be a guy.

NR: Being a pre-teen in the 70s during a sexual revolution didn’t have too much of an effect on Buck’s sexuality back then. 

BA: I don't think I was I was highly sexual as a child you know I what I mean by that is that I did masturbate a lot as a child and I did really feel my body sexually if that makes sense and I felt that in i would say more like around 12 or 13 is when I really started to be attracted to women and I remember that feeling but I was a girl right so but i was a boy so I was so confused about my attractions and what that meant and all of those things that nobody really we didn't really talk I didn't get the sex talk as a child we didn't get the birds and the bees and any of that stuff so I didn't even really understand what was going on other than that I get this amazing feeling in my stomach if I saw a girl that had 13 so so I don't think sex was looked at as a bad thing but it wasn't something that we know that that was actually talked about to me but I wasn't I never thought of it as a bad thing.

NR: Do you mind if I ask how old you were when you started masturbating?

BA: Yeah like 12,13 maybe even sooner 11 I became sort of like a chronic masturbator and that I'm not kidding and it felt so good and I was just like and then and then what's so weird is I did it up until like 17 or that's when I literally cut myself off from my body right because I now realize my body is feminine and that when I masturbated it was totally not the same as when I was a younger person and my body wasn't feminized so now my body being more feminine I think I just disassociated with that.

NR: Buck didn’t hit puberty until he was 16, which is late for most girls. He would shove wads of toilet paper down his underwear, refusing to use pads or worse, tampons. He didn’t want anything inside of him, in fact, any masturbation he did back then only involved clitoral stimulation. That year that he got his period was the same year he started sleeping with a girl from his running team. He would sleep with her at night

BA: Very secretive, I would sleep with her at night in her bed, and we would mess around and then you know, she had a boyfriend. So it was always that was always and you know, I always felt sort of lonely on some level after we would be sexual with each other and she would just sort of like sort of push it to the side so she you know, making sure that she wasn't a lesbian. So those are the things I sort of dealt with. I was very sexual. And in my, I was a gay woman. I had lots of girlfriends and I didn't have sex, but I was mostly drunk or stoned when I did that because I couldn't really I didn't feel comfortable being sober sexually.

NR: The desire to not be sober during sex hit a high when Buck was 16 and 17. He was struggling a lot with his sexuality and with not knowing what to do about being a man in a woman’s body. He attempted suicide once and was checked into a psychiatric hospital That didn’t help his drinking though which would result in blackouts. 

BA: I started getting into trouble. You know, I started skipping school. I started you know, just not being present and And then I eventually didn't graduate high school. So I'm not I did not graduate high school, everything you see today is self-taught. So, you know, I just couldn't function in the world without having alcohol. Once I found alcohol and weed. That was it for me. I got drunk all the time, even running, I was drunk. So it just kept me in a space of not having to deal with reality. 

NR: The drugs and alcohol only got worse during Buck’s early 20s. He started trying every drug imaginable and was well…

BA: A sh*thead. I was a horrible, sh*tty person. 

NR: While Buck always hated anything that traditionally considered feminine, he was still incredibly beautiful and modeling agencies noticed this.

BA: I was a very masculine woman, right? So this was in the mid-80s, when men, I don't know how old you are. But in the mid-80s, androgyny modeling became this big thing. So I was extremely androgynous. Like, people could not tell if I was a boy or a girl. And so that's why I got into modeling because they really love this new androgyny look, so I was discovered just really like one of those stories on the street went to Oh, I'm like, I don't want to do this and my girlfriend at the time as Yeah, you do. So I kind of did it for my girlfriend. I was like, Oh, where's the alcohol and the cocaine, so they feed you alcohol and cocaine, I'm like, I'll do anything. I'll be your dancing monkey. And on some level I was. And so as much as I hated being a woman, I got to wear male clothes. And I got to be this sort of more androgyny. 

NR: There was also the alcohol and drugs which there was a lot for him in the modeling world. Buck says that modeling kind of escalated his addictions. The agency sent him to Europe for some gigs but was sent back to LA because his drinking and drug dependency got out of control. But instead of going back to his parents, Buck ended up on the streets. 

BA: So basically, my parents are like, not really dealing with me.    who let me sleep on their couch. But that gets old right? They have to how embarrassing is that when people ask you to leave the house so you know, overstay my welcome, and then I ended up with a bag of clothes and walking the streets of West Hollywood. 

NR: It was on these streets that Buck was introduced to crack and a different line of work. 

BA: You just learn I can't tell you exactly what happened other than that I think it's a survival mechanism and you know I used to dress in my baseball cap and I look kind of very masculine and so then men started picking me up they pull alongside they'd be like hey want a party and I'm thinking what's the thing and eventually I figured out what that all man right and then I just started doing hand jobs and blow jobs real quick they want quickies it's pretty much McDonald's so I'm like 20 bucks laying on the lay it on the dashboard and that's it and I would do that or that and that was it mostly was more handjob than blowjobs to be honest with you so yeah it was easy and I was like why who cares I literally get in one car and get out and go into the next car it was that much you know I can make enough money for crack and handle yeah

NR: Buck had success sleeping with older men who thought Buck was a young man. He was a sex worker for only a month, but according to him, it felt like a year. 

BA: I went home with one man and I went home with this young man who I don't know how he duped me but he did I think it was tired of being on the street and I think I wanted to just maybe spend the night in a bed or something I don't know but he basically told me he's gonna rape me and you know I'm like he's gonna kill me I know he's gonna kill me and I just got out of the situation by letting him he said I know you're a woman I know he said I know you're a woman and you're not a dude and that was the first time anyone I've ever said that to me on the street and I'm like I'm gonna get killed I knew it and I just took off I used to wear a binder right that bound my breasts down and I just took everything off and I just jacked him off real quick and he like became this other person and I'm like can you take me back to the street that was my last trick and that's really where I chose to live and I chose to get sober and yeah that's how that all ended

NR: Buck went to a payphone at a nearby 7-11 and called one of his ex-girlfriends whose number he still remembered.  

BA: I said I'm gonna die, I need help, and then she said to me all will only help you if you get sober and she said I'll get you into space and she did she got me into rehab in Santa Monica. 

NR: While Buck was only there for a few weeks, he was able to accomplish a lot in that short amount of time. He rekindled his relationships with his parents and found a therapist that he could see after his stay since recovery doesn’t end with just a visit to rehab. 

BA: She was the first therapist who I ever said I feel like a dude she was like okay like what and she was like no okay I see that and now she was the very first person to ever just sort of like wow and I couldn't even believe it, she's very instrumental in saving my life. 

NR: Being seen in this way inspired Buck to do some research. He still didn’t know what the term “trans” meant but he knew that there was something out there that could help answer all of the questions he had about himself. If this therapist could see him for who he really is, then surely there are other people who can too. 

BA:  looking, I don't even know what I was looking for. And I found a thing called the transgender resource guide for male to female, which is the opposite of me. And in that book, I found a hormone doctor. And in that book, I found a surgeon and I was the first for them I was the first male was the first female to male transsexual that both of them called me a guinea pig. Both of them said I've never done this before. You're basically an experiment. And here I sit today, as an experiment, I worked at the experiment work.

NR: Still terrifying. I’m not sure anyone would sign up for that.

BA: Well, it's true. I laugh today, but it's true, you will sign up for it, know, because my mantra, my mantra back in the day as if it doesn't work out, I'll just kill myself. That was always my escape. If this doesn't work out, and I look like a f*cking weirdo, I'm gonna kill myself. Like, it's just as if it was a normal thing to say, that is not a normal thing to say for anybody, but it was always my safety net, my safety net is I'll just kill myself. And I know a lot of kids today are using that same safety net. And so why I make myself so visible as an older trans man, is to say that you know, find your space and make stuff happen for you, and you won't have those feelings anymore.

NR: Buck got a job so he could pay for the hormone therapy and took out a credit line in order to afford the surgery, but before he could transition he needed to meet a certain requirement. 

BA: I had to go to a mental health care professional, and I had to be there for at least a year. And I had to sort of be back and I had to live life as bark and how to dress like a man, I had to walk the world this way. And it's really a safety net to make sure like, Am I really feeling this way./rback in the day, which to be honest with you, I still think is the way we should be doing it. 

NR: While Buck dreamt up having a penis, he decided to only do a top surgery and a hysterectomy. Top surgery is a surgical procedure that removes all breast tissue, while a hysterectomy is the surgical removal of the uterus.

BA: I always wanted a penis like that just makes you a man a penis makes you a man that's what we're taught. The research i did and the little research I could do and what I did see just was not for me and so people listening to this need to understand it is not in that any way shape or form I'm anti that surgery i just didn't see the surgery i wanted to have back in the day it's definitely come a long way now and I'd say that it's a much better surgery but back in the day it was too much you know the thing was a 5050 chance of losing your orgasm I'm like I'm done are the orders you know all of these these these medical problems with it and they just didn't have it down so I chose to opt-out of it. 

NR:   like you have to wait a year and they need to assess that you're absolutely sure. And, you know, you express how as you feel like that's the way it should be. You know, obviously, I've you know, I have never had any of these kinds of experiences with like, my gender identity, but I'm just, you know, I'm curious because like, I feel like, at least from like, I you know, I would imagine that maybe there's like some frustration or some like, Oh my God, I've waited my entire life already. Like, let's get this done. Like I know, right? You know, you know, I know who I am. So let's get this done in like an entire year like I want this so badly. Was that did that crossed your mind during that time? Or did you are looking back Did you like appreciate being given that time? 

BA: No looking back, I appreciate it. But of course, when you're in it, you're like, of course, because I've never looked back. And the reason I tell you now as an older person who had transitioned A long time ago is that when I don't see this, what am I starting to see is a thing called d transitioners. And this is rapidly becoming a thing in the trans community, which if you don't understand what that's somebody who started the transition like me, but realize that they made the wrong choice, and now they have to decide to go back. But, you know, unless you're medicalizing yourself, then that's fine because you're just gonna go back to that. But if you are a person like me, who has started taking testosterone, who chose to remove their breasts, who got a hysterectomy, who has a beard, who has all these masculinizing things, it's almost impossible for me to go back. So what I mean by that, and I like to call it a safety net, is that we just make sure that's all and yeah, of course, you want to change and of course, but what I'm seeing today is this, this noose found the idea that to rush them through, this is the way to do it. And I'm going to tell you, no, because I don't think back in the day, we didn't have this many d transitioners. Why do we have so many today? And that's and listen, when I listened to these kids, what they say to me is they're pissed off, they're mad that they weren't told these things before they transition. And that's when it's 2021. It's not 30 years ago, when I transition, there is no way that a doctor shouldn't be saying, These are the pros, and these are the cons. And then you can make that informed choice. I didn't have that space, I had to make a choice to either stay alive or to kill myself. And so I think today, we have much more area where we can nuance, I guess, is what I'm trying to say more of a nuance. that I'm against, or to say that you're a transgender 10-year-old child who says they're trans and they probably are or whatever, if they say that, but the fact that a doctor is telling a parent of a 10-year old that if you don't give this child hormone blocker, they're going to kill themselves. That's what doctors are telling parents. That is not okay. I'm not okay with that, because that is not 100% true. That is not true. Your child might be trans, or they might not. But when you give hormone blockers, Woody, what do you think that's doing, especially when there's no long-term research, there's no long-term research. puberty is sh*tty for everyone. Not just trans people, but you want to actually put a child in a space where we you don't know what's going to happen to them, when you start to give them I'm against that. I'm totally against that. So these are the things that are happening in a community that's new, I think, and you see lots more people really money or saying they're trans and so I think because we have such a huge influx, we need to have some talks about this and this and we need to have safety levels, or we are we're gonna have more d transitioners.

NR:  But like, so, um, you know, like you, you did though, like, feel suicidal. And you did, you know, become dependent on like alcohol and drugs. So what do you think? What do you think it was that like, do you think it would have been like, if your parents acknowledged you, as a boy, then, you know, it wasn't necessarily the fact that you couldn't transition yet, but it was it was that? 

BA: a great question. And that's a question that I why I say the things I say today, because yeah, maybe I should have transitioned, and maybe that wasn't space. But I'm just one story. Right? So today, we have a thing called the internet. And we have kids of 10. My eight-year-old kid is on the internet, you and we have a thing called YouTube. And we have a thing that we're when you see a lot more of youngsters saying yeah, I'm trans as an identity. I never took on trans as an identity. It was not I did not want to be trans. I wanted to be a man. And I hope you see the difference there. So today, we use trans as an identity, which again, Okay, great, fine. But when you take it to the next level of medicalization, that's a whole other level. I don't have a problem with a kid saying they're trans or any of that stuff, or even medicalizing a kid if they go through a process. But we don't have that process. We just say if a kid says they're trans or trans, and they can take hormone blockers. So I'm just I'm also playing devil's advocate on some level. So we both and these are the conversations I want to have. These are important. Your questions are brilliant and great. And so coming back as an elder, yeah, I did suffer. But does that mean that all kids are suffering? Does that mean that all kids need to be medicalized? I don't think so. 

NR: So some context here: There’s not much information out there about how many trans people decide to detransition but there is a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality that found that only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning. 62 percent of them said they only detransitioned temporarily, with most of them saying it was out of feeling pressured by their parents. Out of that 8% only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them after all. While Buck’s concerns are valid given his own experiences and being that he is a trans-pa as he likes to call himself to so many LGBTQ youths, it’s important to keep these studies in mind.

NR: Buck’s transition not only helped change his relationship with his body but it also changed his relationship with sex kind of drastically. 

BA: In the first two years of taking testosterone and I just became like, insanely my libido just skyrocketed. I already had a high libido but the testosterone really shot it up. And so that's what I became like, again, masturbating all the time. And that's the first time I penetrated myself. And that's where I realized, holy crap, this feels amazing. Cuz I was just masturbating, and my fingers just went there. And next thing I know, I'm like, wow, I had the most insane orgasm. I'd never had that kind of orgasm before. So it was like it, you know, the internal orgasm. And I was like, Wow, that was really instrumental in me sort of becoming much more. Okay, with my body and my and my vagina.

NR: One day, one of Buck’s friends had an idea, sort of a jokey, sexy idea. Their friend was having a birthday and they thought it would be great if they gifted Buck to their friend. Buck hadn’t had sex with anyone yet since transitioning but he was down to be a literal birthday gift. 

BA: It was really the first time I had really like, amazing sex like a dude. And it was beautiful. Amazing. She was not weird to Yeah, I ended up becoming, you know, marrying her. 

NR: This woman, Buck’s first wife, was also a dominatrix. She was Buck’s introduction to the world of sex work, as well BDSM and leather. She encouraged Buck to experiment and to give men a shot. You see, Buck was never attracted to men, but that changed after his transition. 

BA: I went to the Faultline here in Los Angeles and I was just kind of new in my transition, I think I kind of still look very male. So this guy was full-on licking my boots, and like, we were having a good time, and I knew I knew I was gonna get sexual, you could just feel it. And he's going up my letters and like, you know, I didn't pack at the time. And so I remember he's like, going to my crotch. And I'm just like, ah, and then I'm like, ah, I gotta tell you something. He's like, he looks up at me. Like what I got. I know, I gotta tell you this. I mean, I used to be a woman and now a man, but I have a vagina. He's like, looking at me. Like, what did he mean? He's like, you know, sir, I don't really understand. But it doesn't matter to me. I don't and I'm like, What? Like, it was just amazing. 

NR: This wouldn’t be the last time Buck had to disclose that he was a man...a man, with a vagina. 

BA: it's still nerve-racking when you want to take your clothes off, and you don't have a penis. And you know, maybe someone's expecting the penis, so I always had to disclose, you know, because I do pass, I've always been very passing as a man. So I always had to disclose before I had sex with somebody when that started. When the SEC started, I had to really sort of say to myself, What do I do? Because do I tell you that I don't have a penis before we're gonna have sex? Or when do I tell you? You know what I mean? It became a very difficult space to be in. But then I realized I have to disclose immediately because then that just gets that out of the way. 

NR: From then on Buck started to grow more comfortable in his sexuality. His wife noticed the change and encouraged him to get into pornography. They worked on some videos together, some very old-school videos.

BA: we started doing dominatrix videos this was back in the day as the early internet and we started the first dominatrix website and so I was killing it man we were making homemade VHS movies where I would go to that post office with 40 custom videos a day it was crazy like we were raking the money in it was so awesome but that's how I learned to add so I started teaching myself how to do these things adobe premiere like the guy who didn't graduate high school and was the dummy really found my space so what gave me a passion was sex and creating the pornography I really loved it and that's where I decided I don't see any trans man and there was nothing it was trans women it was and I was just like bam that light bulb went on and I was like and she was like damn that's an excellent idea and that's how that kind of started.

NR: But not everyone loved Buck when he first got into the scene. 

BA: everybody hated me the porn industry hated me the trans people hated me because I became the man with the pussy right so everybody was like you're exploiting trans man and it just became this totally political space I'm like I'm making porn it's not political it's actually like I'm saying I'm the man with the pussy like what do you so it became difficult in the beginning nobody really saw what I was doing as something as what it is today so really I had to fight my own community I had to fight the porn community blah blah blah but eventually I broke through. 

NR: And broke through he did. Buck became one of the first trans persons to sign a picture deal and start winning accolades for his work which is versatile, to say the least. 

BA: so my number one selling film of all time is called “Buck Back Mountain” and clearly it's a spoof on Brokeback Mountain but that ended up being huge and like we went to the desert it was my biggest budget ever I spent five grand on it. And like it's an amazing film that film sells out like it's constantly selling still and I did that like God 2007 so but I didn't you know, spooky there bug back mountain buck off the buck stops here, more bang for your buck. Those are all my movies and they're basically just scenes with. I've done I've shot with every kind of person pretty much right so I've shot was great dude's gay dude's a lot of people with color, trans man, trans women. A post-op trans woman I saw I've actually done a scene with a woman who actually got a vagina. So I've pretty much done as much as you can and will so so that's pretty much where my porn career ended up.

NR: While trans porn has been growing in popularity in recent years, back then there weren’t that many trans adult performers, let alone performers that looked like Buck.

BA: What men love to see is to see me getting f*cked. That's the number one thing that they like to see. Because it's fascinating. But at the same time, I think that they like all of it. Most guys, they right Me too. All of them want to eat me out. 

NR: While Buck was making history by signing picture deals, the industry wasn’t always so kind to Buck.

BA: I got picked up by a studio called Robert Hill and then I was the first trans person to sign a 10 picture deal so I actually signed a 10 picture deal with him with an actual production company but after the first movie they ended up being slimy and not paying me and that was where I started buck angel entertainment so from that moment on I started creating my own stuff and I own all my own like really that that was an actual blessing because then I created my own stuff under my own label and forever I own all of that.

NR: Buck didn’t want his influence as a trans person to end with his pornographic movies though. 

BA: I had wanted to do a sex toy for a long time. But you have to understand again like still, the trans male sex space is very small, and people don't see it. And it's not a big part of the industry, whether it be adult toys, or whether films, it's just not a big part of the industry. So when I went to sex toy companies, they were like, Buck, it's a good idea. But there's no market and we can't put the money on. Like, there's a huge market, I built it, there are millions of us in the world they're like, and so eventually, I found a company when I had this idea to make this stroke are called the Buck Off.

NR: The Buck Off is actually the first trans male sex toy on the market. It kind of looks like a penis and how it’s used is that there’s a hole at the bottom of it where a trans man can place his clit which is usually larger because of the testosterone they’ve taken. So the person places their clit in the Buck Off and from there they can just jack the Buck Off. 

BA:  What you're doing is what a man does and then all my Gods so many dudes were like, what I've never had an orgasm I'm 27 Thank you for changing my life and I know it sex changes wives and masturbation does and when you're disconnected from your body, you're not fully transitioning. That's what I think. So I gave these guys this little thing and it just changed so much. It was really amazing space.

NR: While Buck has also created soaps for vaginas, lubes, and beard oils, all for trans men, it’s the Buck Off that’s gotten everyone’s attention. 

BA: This is a trans male product. So if anyone else wants to buy it, they can but I create products for trans men. And the really the biggest compliment is when non-trans people buy my toys because there's A lot of sis men who use this as what I like to call a knob polisher, so they just stick it on the head of their cock and just jack it off like that. So what's so cool is that my toys are actually being bought by a cisgender you know, customer base, which is so awesome. 

NR: While Buck hasn’t done porn in a while, he’s slowly dipping his toes back into sex work, as well as releasing three new sex toys this year. He also has a cannabis company Pride Wellness with business partner Leon Mostovoy that sells cannabis products aimed at older LGBTQ people who might be living with HIV, AIDS, or might be dealing with depression or pain.

BA: I started the company pride wellness five years ago with the understanding of educating the LGBT community and also educating the world on cannabis and the history of cannabis and, you know, hopefully, creating jobs for other people in the trans community so that they can have a future because there's a future in cannabis. And so that's pretty much like why I created that company. Yes. Keep our voice in the game.

NR: Amazing. Well, but where can people find you?

BA: Buck Angel, comm Twitter, Buck, Angel, Instagram, Buck, Angel Facebook, which I'm not a big fan of, but I'm on their official buck Angel. 

NR: Thank you so much for speaking with me. This was fun. I hope you had fun, too.

BA: I totally did. Thank you.

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